Venice meets New York


It wasn’t the newspaper, it was the “I see you but I do not respond” glance that cried “New York” to me. Then he asked/told me not to take any more pictures, which is pure Venice. Not because people are rude, but because in a small town which millions of people visit every year primarily — it seems — to take pictures, sometimes a line has to be drawn.

Whenever I find myself with some Venetian for the first time, and for whatever reason I mention that I used to live in New York, the person almost always seems slightly startled, then makes some remark along the lines of “Boy, Venice must seem really small/different/strange/minuscule/quarklike” to you.

At first glance, it might in fact seem that the fabled Large Malus domestica (pop. 8,175,133 and growing) would have nothing at all in common with the equally fabled Most Serene Republic (at the moment down to 60,052 and shrinking).

On the other hand, this glance, from the doorkeeper at the Porta della Carta of the Doge’s Palace, says “I see you, but you look just like everybody else until you say or do something that requires me to react.” This would be Venetian, where one of the major energy-saving tactics is not merely turning off the lights in empty rooms, but not responding until you actually have to. Otherwise you’ll never make it to closing time.

But I have always felt right at home here, because — as I tell the person, startling her or him even more — there is an amazing number of ways in which Venice and New York appear to be like those twins that get separated five minutes after birth and years later turn up to have both married women named Clotilde on the same day and have vacation cabins on Lake Muskoka.

Speaking of twins, I’ve never quite understood that whole business of twinning cities. Not because I don’t grasp that both partners desire thereby to undertake commercial adventures together, but because the partnerships often seem so odd.

The other places are frequently the same grade of innocuous as the one you’re entering, which makes sense, I suppose.  I mean, you’d never see “Toad Suck/Beijing.” Naturally there are exceptions to what seems like an obvious rule; Rome/Paris makes sense, but Rome/Multan, Pakistan is a bit more obscure. Or there are less glamorous but equally curious combinations (Seattle/Tashkent), on down to the level of Torviscosa/Champ-sur-Drac. Well, as long as they’re happy.

Venice has formally twinned itself with 15 cities; the link is fairly clear with St. Petersburg (seaport cities with canals), though the link with Islamabad is a bit harder to discern. It might have been clever (only to me, of course) to have twinned Venice with every town named Venice, or which bills itself as “the Venice of” wherever it is.

There are 19 “Venice of the North”s, and a remarkable amount of  so-called “Venice of the such-and-such” strewn around the world at other compass points:  South (Johannesburg; Tawi-Tawi island), East (Alappuzha, India; Bangkok; Melaka River, Malaysia), China (Wuzhen), and so on. There are four American towns named Venice, one each in Florida, California, Illinois, Utah. (Venetia, Pennsylvania, doesn’t count, though I give it special points for historical interest.) Surprisingly, there are many more towns in the US named Verona.

These are not the Sharks or the Jets, though there may well be a girl named Maria in the group. They’re just teenagers on their way to school and as such could basically fit in anywhere.


Back to the Ur-Venice and its resemblance to New York. I’ve made a little hobby of collecting points of similarity, as I come across them, and in no particular order, here are some of the most obvious examples:

* They are both seaport cities.

* They are (or have been) economic colossi. The wealth of Venice was something inconceivable today, unless we’re thinking of that tiny top percentage of people who own everything. Not long ago an Indian tycoon staged his daughter’s wedding here; it went on for three days and cost, it was reported, something like 10 million euros ($14 million).  He would have fit right in with the Pisanis and Corners (and Rockefellers and Carnegies.)

* They both have a long history of many coexisting (more or less happily) ethnic communities.

* Housing/real estate is a major issue, both regarding cost (exorbitant) and space (cramped). In either city you can as safely launch a conversation with a stranger on the problems of housing as you can on the weather.

* They are both populated by complainers; not the ordinary type, but those special inhabitants who belong to the category in which, according to the famous quip about New Yorkers, “Everybody mutinies but nobody deserts.”

“Dez (heart) Ruez I love you for all of my life.” The sentiment is universal and, regrettably, so is the urge to express it in a form that’s really, really hard to remove. I have no doubt that they have long since broken up, married other people, and gotten divorced by now. But it is a sign of normal life in cities large and small, watery or not.

* Everybody notices each other and plenty of things about each other, though it may not seem so.  The minute you step into the subway train, everybody will have evaluated you in a hundred instant ways, starting with your potential for being dangerous and ending (perhaps) with your choice of shoes.  I thought I was invisible here in the early days, which Lino thought was hilarious.  I’d only been here a week when he said, “Everybody already knows everything about you.”  I let that slide, till one day I ran into one of the few people I knew, who lived far away on the Giudecca.  “I saw you rowing in the caorlina last Saturday afternoon,” he told me.  It seemed like a friendly remark, except that having been seen by somebody I hadn’t seen at all gave me a tiny shudder.  And made me realize that nobody is invisible here, and never has been.

* Pride: New Yorkers refer to themselves as living in “The City”; no need for further identification.  With many more centuries of experience at this, Venetians by now don’t even do that.  It’s so obvious that being Venetian is the best that there is no need to mention it.

I realized this the day I struck up a conversation in Rimini with a couple who said they were from Venice.  I asked the normal follow-up question: “Oh? Where do you live?” (As in: Cannaregio, Campo  Ruga, near the Accademia, etc.)  A split second of hesitation, and the wife answered, “We live in Castelfranco Veneto.” Castelfranco Veneto is a small town (pop. 33,707) 40 miles/64 km from Venice.

Here’s the thing: I knew they didn’t live in Venice by the faintly self-satisfied way in which they had said it.  People in Venice don’t say it that way, just as New Yorkers don’t brag about living in New York.  If you live there, you already know you’re in the best place in the world; there’s no need to rivet exclamation points all around it.

* They’re not for everybody. This is the strongest link of all between the two cities.  Living in either city is a vocation, a calling, a challenge, a Zen conundrum. Living here, as in New York, requires a complex combination of skills (physical, emotional, intellectual) and predilections (history, humor, remembering the names of people’s children) that frankly don’t suit everybody.

Guys like Queequeg here are one of the main forces that keep Venice going. I’m sure he has a brother or a cousin in New York, with or without tattoos and tank top.  Attitude is the tie that binds.

“It’s great to visit, but I could never live here,” almost everybody says about New York. I’ve almost never heard it said of Venice, though it’s not unusual to hear someone say “It must be so wonderful to live here.”  Tourists have been so brainwashed by publicity and postcards that they don’t believe it’s real and don’t even want it to be. And they’re here for so short a time, they don’t usually have the chance to be disillusioned, unless something bad happens.

That, probably, is one of the main mileposts at which Venice and New York diverge.  Things go wrong in New York (barring homicide, etc.) and visitors regard it as either inevitable or picturesque, the stuff of stories forever.  If something goes wrong here, people get mad, as if they’d been baited-and-switched.

No bait here.

These friends could easily be standing on a corner in New York, except that here they’re probably not talking about the point spread, but what to have for lunch.

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  1. Brooks
    Twitter: brooks.dougcomcast.net

    Wondering if Fuggeddaboudit is a common expression in both cities? Or would that be more Sicilian?

  2. Erla says:

    I would say it’s definitely a Southern expression — Sicilian or Neapolitan or down around there. But the feeling is not unknown here. If I can think of what takes its place in Venice, I’ll let you know. I’m sure there’s something.

  3. > It seemed like a friendly remark, except that having been seen by somebody I hadn’t seen at all gave me a tiny shudder. And made me realize that nobody is invisible here, and never has been.

    In Venice there is the time-honoured tradition of wearing masks, hats and capes, which essentially makes one invisible, or at least nobody will know the identity of those under disguise. Has it ever been made illegal?

    (The city of New York and the DHS are probably not too keen about masked riders.)

    • Erla Zwingle says:

      Wearing masks was permitted only during specific periods of the year, or for specific special occasions of reasons. Going around with a mask whenever you might have felt like it was not a good idea.

  4. Lisa Gordon says:

    I think I’ve seen a few of Queequeg’s cousins offloading dungeness in Fisherman’s Wharf… though to be honest, these days we’re a more likely to see a more yuppie variation – but still with the tattoos – serving up caffè espresso.

  5. Danielle Beauchamp says:

    i love the gentleman’s expression. I think I may use that one occasionally myself. I’ve spent time in Venice, IT as well as Venice, CA and Venice, FL and like them all for their varied characters–but there is only one Venezia and you’ve got her. My parents met and married in New York but only my father was a native (of Brooklyn where the family originally ran a pub and livery stable). Still, I love New York deeply since it’s been an important and recurring place in my family life. I don’t think I’ve every found NYC cold–quirky perhaps, following its own myriad pipers–but not cold. My favorite New Yorker story happened to a friend who is not a native but raninto one in the subway. My friend tenered his money through the slot in order to buy tokens (yes, this was a while ago). The agent sat like a Buddha and neither spoke nor gestured. My friend cleared his throat and waited patiently; then coughed and tried flapping the bills to catch the agent’s attention. Still nothing. Finally, he stretched his wrist into the slot so as to really wave the money around. This apparently crossed the invisible barrier–the agent snatched the bills and returned the tokens while exclaiming, “Whaddya think I am? A fuckin’ octopus?!” Long live the Big Apple…and La Serenissima.

    • Erla Zwingle says:

      Long live everybody everywhere who can pull these things off. Though they do seem to proliferate in my favorite two joined-at-the-hip cities. Especially the “hip” part.

  6. Very Enjoyable! I hope you write more on this subject!

  7. Charlie Pistor says:

    Was surprised you used to be a New Yorker, did not pick it up from any of your prior articles. You are right, if you brag about it, you really are not, deep in your soul. We are New Yorkers, but do not live in “the City” specifically, living in one of the outer boroughs. My son does though. I like my house, garden, backyard and pool, and cars. We travel a lot, and when people ask where we are from, we just say New York, and when pressed, just say “the City”. I also do not want some jamoke telling me that he never could live in NY. I really do not care. Think I have seen Queequeg several times here, mostly in Brooklyn. The section about out-of-towners talking about a NYC experience is true. One couple from Michigan we knew, raved about their cab ride for a good year. So? I also can see how you feel about all the tourists, as we do. We try to stay away from Times Square, probably as you do about St Marks Square.

  8. Jill says:

    This is a great article! I am a New Yorker (Lower East Side) and a lover of Venice, I’ve always thought they were similar in the way residents have to deal with tourists. I like to imagine a woman weaving her way through a group of slow-moving tourists near San Marco, the way I do near Rockefeller Center. Also, the tour groups – in Venice, I guess it’s getting around the hordes, in NYC it’s contending with people on double decker buses gawking at you while you’re just trying to get home with groceries (or something similar).

    • Erla Zwingle says:

      Thanks for the compliment. As for tourists, though, things might have changed since I left The City in 1990 — it’s even possible that I’ve changed — but I don’t remember being especially aware of, much less annoyed by, tourists when I lived in Manhattan. I lived in several places but perhaps my last apartment, at 36th Street between Lexington and Park, was closest to the tourist vortex. I loved to walk to work through Grand Central every day but when I attempt to picture tourists on the way, they don’t appear. Perhaps I’m more self-absorbed than I realized.